The Greatest Tool for Caregivers - Suzanne Weller
Season 1, Episode 8
Caregiving isn’t relegated just to moms. We’re helping older parents and loved ones. We’re standing alongside friends going through health battles or relationship snafus. We’re even mentoring those in our professional circles and lifting them up. In this episode, we’ll hear from Suzanne Weller, founder of Weller Collaboration and host of The Courage Effect radio show and podcast. As a coach, consultant and thought partner to so many, Suzanne brings the wisdom and insights to help us navigate these many roles.
She also reminds us that, sometimes, the greatest act of courage is caring for yourself.
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Transcript
Suzanne Weller:
Caregiving for all of those people around me as they go through, you know, as they navigate grief, as I am at the same time.
And also, you know, taking care of the dog, taking care of my parents who live locally.
I am the co-president of the Seattle Chapter of the Elevate Network, you know, taking care of women, professional women that really want to, you know, meet other women and network and really up the ante for themselves.
So there's a lot of different levels that I hold and at the same time I also have to hold that caregiving for myself because you are your own best tool.
That is a mantra that is pretty much my, the thread of my life and the thread of my work.
So we have to do our work.
We have to make sure that we're taking care of our tool before we can, you know, take care of anybody else.
Amy Kugler:
This is And More with Amy Kugler. It's a show where we'll explore all of the stories about motherhood and caregiving and how they can be a driving force for change. We'll talk about the challenging and hilarious moments that we rarely say out loud, and we'll find a way forward that lifts us all up. Let's get started.
Amy Kugler
Hey, everyone, it is Amy and I've been thinking a lot about the many different roles we play as caregivers.
You know, when I started this show and more, I was thinking mostly about motherhood, but I realized, and as I'm thinking through the fullness of my own life,
There's so many other stories out there of the people who pour into our lives at any given moment, right?
If I look back on my journey, I know that there are so many other women who believed in me and mentored me and provided a caregiving role, whether or not we were biologically related.
In addition, I believe our stories about caregiving can be so universal, and it's important to have the right people in your corner to think about your challenges from a new perspective.
And this is why I am delighted to have Suzanne Weller on today's show.
So let me tell you a little bit about her and then I will bring her on because you're going to love her as much as I do.
Suzanne Weller is a partner in growth.
Clients seek her out as a coach, a consultant, and a thought partner when they're navigating challenging situations or a journey that requires a new approach.
And if there's anything I know about caregiving, we need a myriad of new approaches all the time.
Suzanne is the principal and founder of Weller Collaboration, a firm working with clients to enhance leadership, maximize talent, and amplify communication skills.
She has more than 20 years of leadership experience across various industries, and she is a force.
Suzanne is also the creator and the host of The Courage Effect, a radio show and podcast here on KKNW where listeners hear inspiring stories about the opportunities that surface when we choose courage over comfort.
She's a native Californian friends.
Actually, she's a bicoastal lady as a former New Yorker, but she's here in Seattle with her husband and your dog Bacon.
Bacon?
Oh, what a cute name.
Suzanne, thank you so much for being here.
Suzanne Weller:
It's wonderful to be here.
And you know, everything's better with bacon.
Let's just start off with that.
Sorry, sorry, vegetarians and vegans.
Amy Kugler:
No offense to the vegetarians, because everything is better with bacon for sure.
All right.
Well, speaking of bacon and all the other many people, both human and furry, right, that we have in our lives, I'd just love to start with the really big question about what does caregiving look like for you in this moment?
You've served so many roles in lots of different settings.
What does caregiving look like for you in this moment?
Suzanne Weller:
So it's such a it's such a vast question for me.
And I didn't really realize that until you posed it.
And that's because I do caregiving in so many different forms of my life.
So obviously, I do it on a professional level with being a coach, and a thought partner, and a consultant for a lot of different people.
And there's a lot there.
There's a lot that I mean, even last week, I had somebody
in session just break down, like people get really vulnerable.
And it doesn't mean that every session has to be tears.
Usually it's not.
But there's a lot of care in general and compassion with allowing people to have that space and to get comfortable with acknowledging that they are figuring themselves out and figuring their leadership out.
And to do that in front of other people, because I also do teamwork.
So that can be an additional layer of complication and challenge.
And in my personal life, there's a lot of caregiving going on right now.
Not only because I have two dear friends who are actually battling cancer right now, one who is literally in the chemo chair as we speak.
So providing a lot of care for them, making sure that I'm able to support them.
And I've had a couple of friends die this year as well.
This is the joy of being in your early 50s, I guess, is that you know, you have health challenges all over the place.
But taking care, one was my husband's best friend, like caregiving for all of those people around me as they go through, you know, as they navigate grief, as I am at the same time.
And also, you know, taking care of the dog, taking care of my parents who live locally, taking care of, and I am the co-president of the Seattle chapter of the Elevate Network, you know, taking care of women, professional women that really want to, you know, meet other women and
network and really up the ante for themselves.
And I'm looking at doing additional board work for next year.
So, so there's a lot of different levels that I hold.
And at the same time, I also have to hold that caregiving for myself, because you are your own best tool.
That is a mantra that is pretty much my, the thread of my life and the thread of my work.
So we have to do our work, we have to make sure that we're taking care of our tool before we can, you know, take care of anybody else.
Amy Kugler:
Oh, exactly.
I love it.
And I, as we were talking earlier to the you are your own best tool hit me like a ton of bricks, to be honest, because I think sometimes in those moments when it feels like you have the layers of all of the things that you're doing,
We don't, we fail to recognize, right, that we have everything in us to move forward.
Sometimes it feels like we need extra support here and there, which is totally valid.
But when you say you are your best tool, how do you, how do you show up with that mantra?
What does that look like?
Suzanne Weller:
Well, it's, I mean, I have a background in, in, I did change management for a number of years and I still continue to.
And that's something that I was doing before I even knew I was doing it.
I think we all do that as human beings.
And we definitely do that as professionals.
And you know, I am not a mom, I am an aunt.
And I mean, I'm a fur baby mom, I guess so.
But there's so many different ways in which we are navigating change in our worlds overall.
So I am I'm very passionate about being adaptable.
And because the world is going to change, you know, we don't know what's going to happen.
And so
Why don't we at least become better prepared for that and be more adaptable for when something goes down.
So in that way, it's about not getting too hooked on this is the way that things have to be.
And just because I've planned something like my expectations can only take me so far.
So how do I not get so rigid and dug in on something where it's potentially holding me back and it's setting me up for disappointment or for sadness or for
you know, tragedy or whatever.
That doesn't mean that those emotions still don't exist.
But for me, I want to I want to think, how can I learn from something?
And what do what can I bring to this?
Where I have the ability to, to bring my strengths, but then also adapt new strengths.
And no, like, I'm not great at everything either.
And I'm not great at anywhere near everything.
And other people are.
So how do I also leverage
other people and support other people to be able to do that as well because I get so much satisfaction out of not just my adaptability but you know working with other people to do the same right and I love how you also then said and shout out to the aunties because frankly I think the aunties are the ones who make this world go round because as
Amy Kugler:
As a mom, if I do not have those people that I can sit there and say, like, look, look at Suzanne, like, go talk to Susie.
It's like, you're not going to listen to me, kiddo, but you can go talk to her and you'll actually listen.
Right.
And so it's it's that role, too, and holding the space, you know, and the way that you hold space in all of those different facets of your community.
is so important.
And I hear you talking as and with a lot of hindsight as well, right?
So as we get through those situations, and you're in a two right now with two, you said two members of your community and your friends who are currently battling cancer, you know, it's really murky in that middle.
It's really murky in the moments.
So what is it in those really tough moments that either you're reminding clients
or reminding yourself or reminding your friends to gather up that inner strength and that vulnerability in those moments?
How do you remind them?
Suzanne Weller:
Well, it's there's this great quote from Lena Horne of all people, and it's it's it is not the load that breaks you down.
It's the way you carry it.
So I love that.
Just put that out there.
So how do we remind ourselves, like, how much do I choose to carry right now?
and because you're going to have to carry something, right?
I mean, depending on what's coming at you.
So for me, so much of it is about, you know, ask, asking questions, what does support look like?
Because support for me is not the same.
It's, it's not caregiving is nowhere near one size fits all.
So if I want to support somebody, you know, you should ask, you should be able to ask for what you need and what you don't need.
So I think two valuable, valuable questions when you're taking care of somebody is what does support look like and what does support not look like?
Amy Kugler:
Have there been any answers to those questions that have surprised you in the moment as you've asked them of others?
Suzanne Weller:
Yeah, it's really interesting when, especially when you're dealing with, I had a dear friend that was dealing with addiction last year and I am far from
an expert on addiction.
And I learned a lot through this process.
And it helped me to say, what do I need to do for you?
Like, because I tend to be a fixer.
And that's been one of the things that I've really had to navigate around.
And it's a challenge that I've had to really work through.
I mean, my coaching certification was a big part of that, which I call my excavation, by the way.
So it was excavating, like, don't be the advice giver, don't be the fixer.
Because that was one of the things that made me so
Successful professionally and like, you know, in my life overall, and feeling really good is, you know, getting stuff done.
But when it's somebody else's problem, like, is this my problem to solve?
That's the that's the other question.
I'm full of questions.
I'm such a coach.
But yeah, I can't I mean, they need to tell me because it wouldn't be what I want.
So if somebody says to me, like, please don't, please don't
reach me or, you know, call me at these times, this is when I'm too vulnerable, I'm not going to be able to do it, please don't really ask me how I'm doing, because I'm not doing well, ask me other questions that will help me to get there.
But it's just so different.
And I think a lot of the time when people need help, people aren't asking those questions.
So it also allows them to process what they need.
Amy Kugler:
Oh, man, I just want I'm going to repeat your words back to you if I can, if I can do them so eloquently, because I think the points here are incredibly important.
Asking the questions, what does support look like for you?
And what support?
What support do you need right now?
And what support do you not need?
Yeah, I feel like there's so much in our world, just globally and locally, that would be changed with two simple questions.
And understanding that it is not about us.
And it is about them in that moment, right?
Suzanne Weller:
Completely.
And that's the thing.
And that's the fixer mentality, right?
It's like, I'm gonna do this, because I'm gonna feel good, because I fixed it.
It's like, no, stop, it's not about you.
Amy Kugler:
Fixers unite.
I know that was the that was one of the pivots that I'm still currently learning, especially, you know, with my kiddos is that
How I would like for things to go, obviously, is not how they would like for things to go because it's a completely different brain.
But, you know, when you're a fixer, you know, you know, deep down how you think everything should go and it should be that way.
But the reminder that even sometimes when we are our best tool to understand, right, how to navigate in this world, we still have to continually ask questions and ask questions.
Suzanne Weller:
and give yourself grace that it's not an overnight fix.
It's a constant practice, right?
And you're going to go there.
It's just knowing when you go there and dealing with it.
Amy Kugler:
I love it.
I love it.
Well, I'm excited to continue this conversation, which is turning into a great coaching session, by the way, for all of us.
So when we come back with And More with Amy Kugler, I've got Suzanne Weller with me, we're going to dive into maybe some ways we get into our own way, some more ways we get into our own way as a caregiver and what advice we can do to get out of it.
We'll see you after the break.
Amy Kugler:
All right, friends, we're back with and more with Amy Kugler.
And I am here with the amazing Suzanne Weller, who also fun fact has a radio show and podcast called The Courage Effect.
You need to listen to it.
We will link it into the show notes because every time I listen to an episode of hers,
I find a new way to be courageous and, and to summon that courage that I know we all have.
And I think that's really important when we're talking about caregiving and providing support for our community is, you know, as Suzanne said before break, finding that inner strength and that courage and where that well resides because we are our own best tool, even sometimes when we may not believe in ourselves.
But I'm curious, Suzanne, when you think about support and asking the questions for how to provide scaffolding in that support, the question of how can I best support you now, what's your next best step, both for the person that you're taking care of and supporting and for yourself?
Suzanne Weller:
That's a vital question.
And the word that comes up for me immediately is boundaries.
Amy Kugler:
I knew you were going to say this.
It's the hardest one ever.
Suzanne Weller:
Yeah.
And well, OK, so we talked about fixers.
Right.
And that's a boundary.
Like, is this my problem solver?
Is it not?
Where where where should you be?
What is your role?
But also boundaries are huge because there is for people like myself.
And I believe that you probably fall into this camp as well.
I mean, many of you out there, we we might fall into over caring for others.
Amy Kugler:
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Sorry, I'm gonna interrupt you there.
This is hitting really, this is really resonating.
So tell me more about how we support ourselves.
Suzanne Weller:
Well, and it's, it's knowing what you have the ability to give and what you don't.
And so it's, it's not even about, I mean, it is about drawing boundaries with other people.
Because we never know what they'll ask for, you know, maybe they'll ask for something huge that we're not able to do.
But it's also drawing boundaries for ourselves.
And that was one of the things that
I think I've, I've learned this when I've relocated, like when I when I've moved to other cities, and I get so excited, like when I moved to New York, like, oh, I want to meet all these people.
And I want to do all these things.
And I want to get so involved in everything.
I mean, I'm an extrovert.
I don't think that's a shock.
But it's like, and I'm very social, which my husband, Tom was always like, wow, you get fueled by all this.
Like, yes, I do.
People feel me.
Um, but I also I have to that's one thing I have to watch myself like don't over social like because I need my me time to I'm not I also have to have that regrouping.
But I do believe that the same is true for caregiving where I can go out and I can support and I can volunteer and I can give friends support and otherwise, but I need to also know what I'm able to do that will give me love and support and make me feel good and make them feel good.
um but at the same time i can't do it where it just sucks me away and sucks me dry so um and that is really hard and a lot of the time you don't know you're doing it until you're in it which is my experience and then you you know as you i see your face you're like ah
Amy Kugler:
Currently in it, Suzanne, currently in it.
No, I get it.
I get it.
And it's really hard to recognize.
I always equate it with like a slow boil, right?
Of how it all just kind of like accumulates and accumulates and accumulates until all of a sudden you realize the pot is boiling.
and you've overcared for lots of things and people and places without the boundaries in place to really recharge and and show up in your strength versus show up in your over caring.
Suzanne Weller:
Yeah, and it's and we know that in general, the first thing that we tend to do as human beings, we sacrifice ourselves for other people, right?
Like, so we tend to, you know, we'll draw a boundary, but then we break our own boundaries.
And that's one of the things that so if we draw a boundary for somebody else, we and if we do it for ourselves, we have to also put some structures in place to be able to honor that.
And that is that is damn hard.
Amy Kugler:
Damn hard.
So tell me how, can you give us an example of when I mean, can be recent or can be far away where you've had to set your own internal boundaries for yourself?
And what structures you put in place to make that happen?
Suzanne Weller:
Yeah, I mean, it's perfect example is right now.
I mean, I'm traveling later this week, and I want to see my friends and I want to see people and but I also have a lot of stuff I need to get done.
And it's been one of those where it's like, be realistic on what you really can do right now.
So you're not
getting exhausted, or you're not getting sick before you jump on an airplane.
And just being being honest with myself about what I really need to do.
And that's the whole thing is, and I'll sit down and I'll, you know, write down some lists, right?
I journal every morning.
And I also meditate.
And that's a part of it is like, what, what do I need right now?
What do I not need?
And it's a constant negotiation.
And, and just because I think it's going to be one thing
It's going to change, right?
Like, so that's the thing.
It's like, yeah, okay, I thought that was good yesterday.
I don't know about today.
So I think having those conversations with myself is helpful.
And because when something else comes, I mean, you know, this happens with kids all the time, right?
I mean, there's always something that is unexpected, and you just get wrenches thrown in.
Okay, we just have to, we have to rally, like, let's just figure out how we can pivot how we can actually move around this or move towards it in a different way.
I just I try to be as nice to myself as I can.
That doesn't mean that I always am.
But just being gracious, gracious for myself and others.
And knowing you promised yourself this.
And yet here you are about to slip.
Like what's up with that?
Amy Kugler:
So and then asking yourself what's up with that and then giving yourself the grace to answer honestly.
Right?
Whoo, that's the hardest part.
I feel like sometimes the conversations with our own selves and our own head are harder than the conversations we get to have with other people.
Suzanne Weller:
Oh, they're brutal.
I mean, we are so mean to ourselves so much of the time.
And that's, we know that I mean, just the negativity bias that we have, which is really highly directed towards ourselves.
And those are the moments of just like, am I doing this?
And this, I think, is another really important thing about caregiving.
Am I doing this for me?
Or am I doing it for somebody else?
Amy Kugler:
Oh, friends, you cannot see the look on my face, but you I think you can feel it.
That is am I doing this for me?
Or am I doing this for someone else?
And when you get really honest about that, that answer, right?
It can totally direct how you need to pivot.
I don't know about you, Suzanne, but, you know, again, fixers, type A people unite, right?
I have a feeling that once you get a moment of clarity, like in that moment, then you know the direction you need to move and you move with precision.
Right?
Does that seem correct?
Or do you still then waffle on that answer of who am I serving?
Suzanne Weller:
Um, I go pretty fast.
I mean, I'm somebody that when I make a decision, I tend to go and to bet for better or worse.
Amy Kugler:
Fair enough.
Fair enough.
And when you were talking about boundaries to just kind of going back to that a little bit, I love the thoughts around building in some margin, right?
Like, I think, sometimes, again, maybe this is just me, but I tend to pack
As much as I possibly can into the waking hours.
And I think sometimes I think I was trained in this way when, you know, my kids are little and it's like, you have nap times to focus.
So you're going to focus or when you're caregiving, it's like, you know, my parents are okay.
Like, you know, like, or the people you're caregiving for, like, they're okay.
In this moment, I've got 15 minutes to get as much done as possible.
And I don't know about you, but the boundaries for me that I need to set are actually saying the margins of time and transition or giving myself that floater time, that flexibility time needs to expand, right?
Because of the unexpected.
So when you think about caregiving and maybe even happening into that in a very unexpected, unplanned way,
How would you, what advice would you give for somebody who's in that moment to find the reserve, to calm their bodies, to chart that path forward in a way that is in strength, right?
In their own strength and not out of fear.
Suzanne Weller:
For me, so much of this starts with breathing.
I mean, I know that sounds totally basic, but it's like, okay, three deep breaths, right?
Like, so let's at least get grounded a bit.
and let me have an honest conversation around, again, why am I doing this?
Why do I think I need to do it?
If somebody is asking me, I mean, so much of the time, like my friends that I'm supporting, they are so grateful and they're so wonderful.
And it's really to have open conversations with people about what you can and can't do overall.
But I think just constantly remembering that is huge.
Amy Kugler:
Thinking about what you can and can't do, and how that best supports the people but also gives them the ability to to also seek out the help that they need from other places.
Right?
You are not the only one to support them.
Suzanne Weller:
Yeah, and you don't want to rescue people either.
Right?
That's the other thing is that you want to I mean, people still have some reserves that you know, and strength and they have the ability to do something you want to support them.
You don't want to coddle in that way either.
And, um,
And that that can be hard to figure out like where is that strength and where is it not and what can you provide and where can they get from others.
The tandem there is the really important part.
And I think often we just look at the what can I do?
And how can I help?
And what can I what can I make do with now?
But I mean, the whole cliche of making sure your oxygen mask is on first, and your suggestion of breathing, which is something we all need reminders of, especially in this day and age, is really important.
Like we really have to
Dig deep and ask those questions and also provide our own scaffolding and our own structures and our own boundaries so that we can also do the same for the others that we're in life with as a whole.
Amy Kugler:
Yeah.
And it's, it's a lot of the time too.
I mean, we get emotionally triggered, right?
I mean, because something is upsetting or because something is unexpected or something is hard.
So that's where it's about, okay, how do you at least come to terms of what are you experiencing right now?
What are the emotions and where are they coming from?
And are you helping in a way that is really and truly going to help?
Because if you're just helping for help's sake, that's not help.
Suzanne Weller:
That's not help.
Imagine that.
Amy Kugler:
It's not help.
Oh, my gosh.
Suzanne, I feel like you just led us through an expert coaching session.
So thank you.
I will be thinking about all of these questions in so many different scenarios in my own life, I know, for the rest of the day, if not week.
And I just really encourage, you know, our listeners to do the same to think about where these apply.
in your own lives.
I mean, because this is gold, friends.
You got to take care of ourselves so that we can take care of others.
And Suzanne, I'm so grateful that you're here.
Can you tell us where we can find you so that we can stay connected?
SPEAKER 1
Yes, definitely.
I mean, I'm on LinkedIn, obviously, Suzanne Weller, and you can find me online at WellerCollaboration.com and TheCourageEffect.com.
Thank you for mentioning the show so much of what you're doing.
So many common threads.
So, and it takes courage to take care of other people and to take care of ourselves.
So thank you for a great conversation, Amy.
Amy Kugler:
Thank you so much.
Well, I wasn't quite expecting a coaching session from Suzanne during our conversation.
I was so glad that she offered her insights there.
I know that I will have her back on the show and to talk about a lot more things around caregiving and around how we can care for us and
You know, a lot of the insights and the takeaways that I have, I've been thinking about on and on and on over the last few weeks, especially.
So let me share a few of them with you.
The first takeaway is, as Suzanne mentioned, we have to let go of that inner fixer in order to be a solid caregiver.
The question, is that my problem to solve, is key in that.
And I have a hard time asking that.
Sometimes the answer is yes, it's our problem.
And most of the times it's no, it's not our problem.
And if I think a bit deeper in my life, I recognize the times that the answer was no, this is not my problem.
And if I ask myself why I want to solve it, it's because I don't want anyone to be uncomfortable.
I'll let that one sink in a moment.
I'd rather try to fix the problem so that nobody else is bent out of shape and that I can somewhat mitigate or control the discomfort.
The challenge is, is that if I do that for my kids, they're not going to learn.
They're not going to be resilient because they're going to think that everyone's fixed by mom.
I'm not trying to be the hero here.
And as caregivers, we can't be the heroes all the time.
We can be the ones who are the supportive people that surround and embrace the others in our lives.
Second, there is power in asking the questions that Suzanne posed.
First, what does support look like for you?
And then second, what does support not look like?
You know, as a caregiver, going back to the whole fixer issue, you know, we often think we're the ones that know best, but we really, really don't.
And if we don't ask these questions, we show up as we if we know everything.
But in reality, it's just that we're not listening.
And we're making a ton of assumptions.
Even those that are hurting, whoever we're taking care of, whether that's good or bad situation, it doesn't matter.
They can answer those questions honestly.
And it gives us the ability to show up really well for them in a way that they makes them feel the most loved and cared for.
Third and last but not least, Suzanne's conversation of you are your own best tool.
This one is easy and hard for me to accept at the same time because there are so many times when I don't have the confidence to move forward and I don't feel like I have everything inside me to actually make it happen but
I'll tell you this, since our conversation, I have looked at myself in the mirror every day and said, you are your own best tool, Amy.
You have the inner strength.
You have the confidence.
You also have the barometers to know when something is off.
You have everything inside to show that you need to show up.
And I really challenge you on that one today is that if there is an area in your life, whether that's with caregiving or parenting or just work or anything, frankly, where you don't feel like you have what it takes, I really encourage you to take a moment, take a deep breath.
And just like Suzanne said, just let that be your mantra.
You are your own best tool.
I know that we can take care of a lot of things as we build the strength and resilience, but also as we ask the curious questions of ourselves and others.
I hope you get the chances to ask those questions this week.
Thanks so much for tuning in.
Until next time, onward and upward.
Amy Kugler
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I'd love to shout from the rooftops for my team who makes this beautiful show possible.
Special thanks to Stacey Harris, without whom the entirety of BEAM would have been just a fleeting thought.
Of course, Dave Nelson, the man behind the mic and all the production for all these things, Benny Mathers, our producer for the KK&W support, and graphic design by the inimitable Sullivan & Sullivan Studios.
And you know, I cannot forget my Dave, Brendan, and Evie, the trio that pushes me always to be more myself.
To all of BEAM's founding members, we are eternally grateful.
Thank you for your unwavering belief that the power of our stories can make a difference.
And to you, my gorgeous listeners and guests, we love you.
Thank you for trusting us with your stories and your time.
It would mean the world to us if you'd follow, rate, or review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get these stories and also share it with friends.
You know the ones that want to hear it.
Until next week, onward and upward, my friends.
We'll see you then.
Amy Kugler:
Before I go, I'd love to hear from you have a story that we should talk about for And More, click the share your Story button on Welcome to beam.com and make sure you're signed up for our newsletter there to get all the information about upcoming events, giveaways, and more. You can also follow us on Instagram at Beam for Moms. That's b e a m, the number four M O M S. I'd love to shout from the rooftops from my team who makes this beautiful show possible. Special thanks to Stacey Harris, without whom the entirety of beam would have been just a fleeting thought. Of course, Dave Nelson, the man behind the mic, and all the production for all these things. Benny Mathers, our producer for the KKNW support and graphic design by the Inimitable Sullivan and Sullivan Studios. And I cannot forget my Dave, Brendan, and Evie, the trio that pushes me always to be more myself. To all of Beam's founding members, we are eternally grateful. Thank you for your unwavering belief that the power of our stories can make a difference. And to you, my gorgeous listeners and guests, we love you. Thank you for trusting us with your stories and your time. It would mean the world to us if you'd follow rate or review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get these stories. And also share it with friends, the ones that want to hear it. Until next week, onward and upward, my friends. We'll see you then.
